Who Do You Think Has NOT Cheated Emissions?

"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
09/01/2016 at 10:25 • Filed to: Questions

Which automaker(s) do you believe have been honest on emissions from the day they began testing to this very day?

DISCUSSION (31)

Nibby > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:26

Tesla

crowmolly > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:26

Tesla

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:27

Mazda...they kept saying they wanted to bring diesel to the US but could never get the emissions low enough. And now they know how VW did it, they didn’t.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:28

Toyota and judging by their ever lowering redlines, Honda.

Ash78, voting early and often > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:30

Honda. They promised an Accord diesel years ago, but quickly reneged. They’re too busy cutting all joy from their product line, lightening and decontenting, and generally trying to prop up a few key talking points on their reputation to risk any regulatory hassles. Honda: Awesome on Paper.

VW Max > Nibby
09/01/2016 at 10:32

Don’t Teslas “cheat” if the power they use comes from coal?

X37.9XXS > Nibby
09/01/2016 at 10:34

Does it have to be a car?

Kinja'd!!!

Leadbull > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:34

Maybe Volvo

Wobbles the Mind > Nibby
09/01/2016 at 10:35

But Borla!!

Kinja'd!!!

DutchieDC2R > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:37

Elio Motors......#zing

Urambo Tauro > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:37

Tucker

JGrabowMSt > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:39

Koenigsegg and Pagani probably. They have everything to lose by getting wrapped into a major lawsuit like that.

Granted, Pagani has only really had one or two major engine changes, but that was only from the M120 to the M273 and what they’re using now isn’t that different from the M273. They only offer a V12 and they cater to a buying group that will pay what they set the price as.

Koenigsegg develops damn near everything in house and struggles to be the underdog, despite making cars with absolute surgical precision that would put the largest auto group to shame on a daily basis. For the amount of cars they produce, if they got wrapped up in an emissions lawsuit, it could close their doors.

jimz > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:43

In the US? I think VW stands as the lone cheater. The rest of the automakers were very aware that the EPA does not fuck around. They’ve had past experience with them e.g. clean-up of contaminated old assembly plant sites and such. Plus the heavy truck manufacturers got slammed by them not too long ago.

IMHO, since VW’s operations outside of the US are much larger and the EU test procedure is so laughably loose (and their penalties are little more than a token fine and a stern “don’t do it again”) they thought that even if the EPA caught on it wouldn’t be a big deal.

My bird IS the word > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:44

stupid to say, but GM? they are so terrified of taking risks that it would fit in character for them.

McMike > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 10:51

Elio.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:00

Honda, Subaru, Mazda because they have all talked about diesel at one point or another but never done anything because they couldn’t get it past emissions.

GM is another one because they are risk averse at the moment and also I distinctly remember a quote from Bob Lutz berating his engineers why they couldn’t get a diesel through emissions and VW could.

The Stig's former college room mate > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:10

Hell, I’ve cheated on emissions tests! I’ve been known to use spark plug non foulers to hide a failed catalytic converter. or have driven around with 2 gallons of gas in the tank to keep the EVAP monitor from running and finding the leak.

RazoE > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:10

Honda.

DanZman > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:28

Hahahaha!!! That pic is great!

Textured Soy Protein > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:40

I personally am cheating emissions with the catless downpipe in my 335xi and a little oxygen sensor simulator doohickey to fool my ECU into thinking there’s still a cat in the downpipe.

But I don’t feel too bad because I still have two more cats in the midpipe and there’s no emissions testing where I live anyway.

bhtooefr > My bird IS the word
09/01/2016 at 11:42

From the very day they began testing, though (so in the US, the 1970s )?

And, Opel got caught abusing the spirit of the temperature-based emissions regulations in Europe, so, GM’s cheated.

just-a-scratch > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 11:58

Who wouldn’t have cheated emissions? Only those without motive, like all the brands that went out of business before emissions testing was done.
ABC, Abbot, Able, Ace, Acme, Adams Farwell, Adria, AEC, Aerocar, Ahrens, Airway, Ajax, Aland, Albany, Albatross, ALCO, Alden-Sampson, Aldo...

There are too many of these. I think you get the point.

AfromanGTO > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 12:06

Most likely everyone does it, and will be quietly doing an “update for X” to fix it. If they even bother to fix it. The likelyhood there isn’t cheating going on with everyone is like saying nobody in sports uses unethical measures to get a winning edge.

jkm7680 > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 12:23

Nobody.

Ike > Wobbles the Mind
09/01/2016 at 12:50

Volvo

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JGrabowMSt
09/01/2016 at 13:22

M275*

My bird IS the word > bhtooefr
09/01/2016 at 14:04

I was just being trite i guess, I wouldn’t worry about the old cars though. My 79 trans am definetly conformed, they had 2 different carburetor setups for high and low altitude they were so paranoid about emissions.

JGrabowMSt > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
09/01/2016 at 14:08

That would be it! Close enough...

Probenja > Snuze: Needs another Swede
09/01/2016 at 15:43

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/20…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc…

Apparently of those, only Subaru hasn’t been in the news.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JGrabowMSt
09/01/2016 at 17:47

Yeah, close enough. It’s only a difference of 4 cylinders, 2 turbos, and 2 cams.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Probenja
09/02/2016 at 09:06

I haven’t been keeping up with the news, apparently.